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Date:	Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:10:47 PST7
From:	Harry Chris Motin <hmotin@attglobal.net >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Boot hang: still there

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Wayne,

You've got to get yourself a reliable way to quickly restall your system
from a backup (crash recovery). Different people do it different ways. I
use Back Again 2000 and its crash recovery system.

I too have been foolish or did not stop to think about consequences,
when adjusting my system or attempting to fix a problem. On several
occasions I have found myself unable to reboot, or sometimes able to
reboot to a setup that I did not want.

I use Back Again 2000 to restore my system from scratch, using diskettes
and a saved backup. Talk to other people, like Peter and Steven, and
find out how they do it. Pick a way that you like and that works for
you. Test it out to make sure.

On other note, based on your description, I agree. I've changed my mind.
It does not sound like a hardware problem. To me it sounds like some
driver or another is attempting to load, but is doing it improperly????

HCM
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Wayne Cypress wrote:
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> > Header to try to get around the problem of my posts to SCOUG getting the
> top cut off <
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> > Steven said:
> >
> >Hardware is always a possibility. However, Wayne has made no mention of
> >problems once past the boot hang. This makes me inclined to put hardware
> >lowish on the list of potential culprits.
>
> >I still suspect a WarpCenter hang. I inquired about this earlier, but
> >don't recall receiving a response.
>
> >Wayne, do you use WarpCenter? If so, are you starting if from config.sys
> >or from the Startup Folder?
>
> Yes I do use WarpCenter. I tried moving it to the startup folder awhile,
> but that didn't change anything, still got hangs, so I put it back in
> config.sys.
>
> I want to revise my prior opinion that it's a hardware problem, I'm having
> second thoughts, but only after trashing my system last night and spending
> about 6 hours getting it functional again.
>
> I don't have ready access to spare parts, I'm just a home computer user.
> Last night I thought I'd try the plain VGA drivers (too late at night, I
> wasn't thinking straight, because that doesn't do a thing about the Matrox
> hardware). Anyway, I haven't fooled with the system in quite awhile and I
> really got myself into trouble. In short, I tried to use the bootup choices
> screen to get booted with VGA drivers, then got a desktop that was
> completely unusable because any program I launched ended up in a window
> that was off the top of the screen, so I couldn't see part of it and I
> couldn't reach the top of the window to click on it to resize or move it to
> where I could see it. Then I tried choosing the maintenance desktop (or
> whatever it's called) at a bootup, thinking I'd go back to the Matrox
> drivers (turns out you can't install the Matrox drivers that way, but I
> didn't remember that) and I couldn't satisfy the request for a driver disk
> with a configuration? (xxxx.ddp) file on it. Then on reboot, I found I'd
> lost all my prior desktop archives (no longer on the bootup choices
> screen), then the Matrox-supplied install program balked, saying that
> OS2KRNL was the wrong version, etc, etc, etc. It just kept on
> snowballing!!!
>
> No hangs occurred in multiple reboots while I was doing all this
>
> Anyway, I finally got the Matrox drivers set up by running dspinstal
> program instead of the Matrox install program, then reapplied fixpack 15,
> then found some of my recent copies of OS2.ini and OS2SYS.ini and a
> config.sys and substituted them. After manually rebuilding warpcenter and
> toolbar, I'm pretty much back where I was... a useable desktop and
> intrmittant boot hangs. So, I may have re-introduced the hang when I
> restored the ini files, or I was just lucky while not using them.
>
> However, on thinking about it, it's not really a "hang" per se, "hang" is a
> misnomer..... because when I have the "blue screen hang" (which BTW is in
> 1280x1024 mode) I can:
>
> - ctrl-alt-del to reboot (BTW, I was wrong when I stated that chkdsk would
> run if you did this when the desktop is up)
>
> - ctrl-alt-W to bring up Watchcat, which displays processor usage
>
> - use the "print screen" key to print the output of Watchcat on my 4029
> laser (or a big black square if I do that with only the blue screen)
>
> - ctrl-esc which brings up a small window listing running programs (but
> the window is empty)
>
> In other words, everything works, the operating system is there, there just
> is no desktop and therefore no way to use the mouse or keyboard to launch a
> program (except those special keyboard-activated functions I listed above);
> sometimes the cursor is the hourglass wait symbol, sometimes just the
> cursor arrow.
>
> The display seems fine, which is why I'm revising my opinion back to
> software, not hardware, as the problem.
>
> Someone mentioned a possible problem with AIC7870.ADD, so I'll try to find
> the latest version, but the problem description doesn't match my issues.
>
> Wayne
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