said: 
>Let me correct my the wording of my intended thought.  It wasn't the 
>(apparent) redundancy that was causing the problem. 
It shouldn't However, ISTR hearing that the extra route could cause 
problems with the 32-bit stack that you are running with eCS and I don't 
know the if this has been resolved, so better safe than sorry. 
>I assume this needs to be true of the OS/2 machines as well.  This make 
The Warp4 boxes should not need anything more either, unless Injoy is 
doing something I don't understand.  Think of it this way.  The packet is 
going to get sent to the same place, with the same content regardless of 
which route statement sends it there. 
>file containing a few text files.  First, I noticed that the result of 
>netstat -n was dependent on the state of my connection to the internet.  
As it should be. 
>The result of "netstat -n" at boot, before connection to the Internet is 
>established, is contained in atboot.txt.  Notice that there is no 
>interface called ppp1.  After issuing a ping command (atping.txt) but 
>before connection, this is similarly true. However, after connecting 
Again, as it should be.  Injoy is creating the interface as part of 
setting up the connection.  DOIP does a similar thing, but chooses to name 
the interface ppp0.  This is all part and parcel of how the TCP/IP stack 
works. 
>(atconnect.txt), the ppp1 interface is established. Even after hanging 
>up, the ppp1 interface remains.  This is just to give you more of a 
>background on what is going on in InJoy. 
I don't understand why Injoy keeps the interface up.  This differs from 
DOIP, which closes the ppp0 interface when the connection is shut down.  
Injoy is probably doing some sort of optimization. 
>interfaces are established and are temporally dependent, I think this is 
>the proper way to run it (rather than "iptrace dod ppp1" as you 
It doesn't matter to me as long as there's not too much lan0 traffic to 
clutter up the analysis.  Temporality (if that's a real word) doesn't much 
matter for when we are looking at the data. 
>suggested).  So, I booted the gateway machine into its standard config 
>(with InJoy in its dial-on-demand mode) and the client machine, basically 
>quiescent.  On the gateway, I started iptrace and on the client, I 
>started up Netscape and simply asked to load yahoo.com.  The contents of 
>iptraffic.txt is the resulting output of ipformat.  As expected, the 
>client refused to load yahoo.com.  Ultimately, I just cancelled the trace 
>(and the request to load yahoo) after waiting more than long enough. 
On the gateway machine, I hope. 
One thing that shows up immediately is that the DNS servers at 
  216.171.167.011 
  216.171.167.012 
are pretty crappy.  Take a look at the number of times they refuse to 
respond to a DNS request.  Look for the packets with the 4 second deltas. 
Looking at the trace, if this is on the gateway machine, this will never 
work: 
-------------------------- #:41 -------------------------- 
 Delta Time:  0.730sec   Packet Length: 344 bytes (158 hex) 
 DIX:   Dest: 00:80:C8:E6:09:CF   Source: 00:50:BA:84:07:CF 
 DIX:   Dest: 066.218.071.084    Source:  192.168.001.014 
----------------------- IP HEADER ----------------------- 
No TCP/IP stack in its right mind is going to send packets back to a 
non-routable address. 
Here's a snip of what happens on a working setup: 
-------------------------- #:14 -------------------------- 
 Delta Time:  0.000sec   Packet Length: 841 bytes (349 hex) 
 Compressed and Unfiltered Packet Length: 808 bytes (328 hex) 
 PPP: Protocol 0x002D  (VJ Compressed) 
 PPP:   Dest: 066.218.071.089    Source:  209.178.189.003 
----------------------- IP HEADER ----------------------- 
 IP:  Version: 4 Correct    Header Length: 20 bytes 
 IP:  Type Of Service: 00 
 IP:     000. ....  Routine 
 IP:     ...0 ....  Normal Delay 
 IP:     .... 0...  Normal Throughput 
 IP:     .... .0..  Normal Reliability 
 IP:  Total Len: 840 (x348) bytes          Id: 6E5D 
 IP:  Flags: 2 
 IP:     .1..       Don't Fragment 
 IP:     ..0.       Last Fragment 
 IP:  Fragment Offset: 000 
 IP:  Time To Live: 64 sec    Protocol: 6  TCP 
 IP:  Header Checksum: B069    (Correct) 
 IP:  No Options 
---------------------- TCP HEADER ---------------------- 
 TCP:  Source Port: 51798  (Unassigned port)       Dest Port: 80  
(Unassigned port) 
 TCP:  Sequence #: 2326070887  
 TCP:  Ack #: 4130634963  
 TCP:  Offset: 20 bytes 
 TCP:  Flags: 18 
 TCP:     ..0. ....        Urgent bit Off 
 TCP:     ...1 ....   Ack bit On 
 TCP:     .... 1...  Push bit On 
 TCP:     .... .0..        Reset bit Off 
 TCP:     .... ..0.        Synchronize bit Off 
 TCP:     .... ...0        Finish bit Off 
 TCP:  Window: 33580      Checksum: B081   (Correct) 
 TCP:  No Options 
--------------------------------- DATA ----------------------------------- 
0000 47 45 54 20 2F 20 48 54    54 50 2F 31 2E 31 0D 0A   GET / HTTP/1.1.. 
0010 48 6F 73 74 3A 20 77 77    77 2E 79 61 68 6F 6F 2E   Host: www.yahoo. 
0020 63 6F 6D 0D 0A 55 73 65    72 2D 41 67 65 6E 74 3A   com..User-Agent: 
0030 20 4D 6F 7A 69 6C 6C 61    2F 35 2E 30 20 28 4F 53    Mozilla/5.0 (OS 
0040 2F 32 3B 20 55 3B 20 57    61 72 70 20 34 2E 35 3B   /2; U; Warp 4.5; 
0050 20 65 6E 2D 55 53 3B 20    72 76 3A 31 2E 31 61 2B    en-US; rv:1.1a+ 
0060 29 20 47 65 63 6B 6F 2F    32 30 30 32 30 37 31 32   ) Gecko/20020712 
0070 0D 0A 41 63 63 65 70 74    3A 20 74 65 78 74 2F 78   ..Accept: text/x 
0080 6D 6C 2C 61 70 70 6C 69    63 61 74 69 6F 6E 2F 78   ml,application/x 
0090 6D 6C 2C 61 70 70 6C 69    63 61 74 69 6F 6E 2F 78   ml,application/x 
00A0 68 74 6D 6C 2B 78 6D 6C    2C 74 65 78 74 2F 68 74   html+xml,text/ht 
Notice that both the source and destination addresses are routable. 
This leaves several possibilities.  One is that what you are tracing is 
the packet going from the eCS machine to Injoy.  That would be the case if 
Injoy has been told to grap all packets sent to 192.168.001.014.  If so, 
you need to figure out how to trace the data going between Injoy and the 
outside world.  Read the Injoy docs for info how how to enable the Injoy 
tracing tools. 
Is that this really is the packet that's going out over the phone line.  
If so, it's easy to understand why it gets no response.  It's harder to 
understand why it is happening. 
Steven 
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