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Date:	Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:27:52 PDT7
From:	"Steven Levine" <steve53@earthlink.net >
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In <20030614055033.36460.qmail@bjork.linkline.com>, on 06/13/03
at 10:50 PM, waynec@linkline.com said:

>I am reticent to take a chance on destroying my P2's Warp partition,
>considering how everything else has been going. I may set up the scsiWarp
>on the AMD and try to use "selective install" to get the "installation
>utitities"

It's up to you. However, I would suggest trying to focus more on
finishing one thing at a time. It does not appear that you keep
sufficiently detailed logs to be sure you are not repeating tests that
have already failed.

>I had the impression that they would, so I was expecting the install to

Why? All you did was replace drivers so that the kernel could boot. All
the installation programs are still on CD and you did nothing to update
them.

>install; so there was a lot of restarting from the beginning like
>that.... very time-consuming and frustrating, and I'm sure my posts have
>been reflecting that

Actually they don't. It's very hard to figure out what you have already
tried from your posts.

>I can't recall for sure, should have written them down... it seemed like
>I'd fix one, only to hang on the next one, etc, etc. When I finally got
>to where I was able to boot the diskettes, I was looking at the hard

Are we talking about the diskette set I showed you how to make? Based on
your feedback, they worked once you picked the IDE drivers that your
hardware wanted.

>in. I never did get used to the tedit editor and found it very unwieldy,
>and never did figure out how to do a search on keywords with it, as I
>can with the os/2 system editor.

TEDIT is not my favorite non-GUI editor, but it does have built in help,
so it's not that hard to learn. The search command is L on the command
line. Search again is Alt-F.

>Too many to list, including the old IBM Extended Edition database,
>MSofficePro, PQmagic, FileWizmanager, Ghostview, some stock market
>programs, automobile calculator tools, editors, system tools, a design
>program, and a myriad of shareware I've probably long forgotten I
>installed.

Well, I suggest you make a list. A lot of them will probably require no
more than recreating the Desktop objects. Others will need config.sys
edits. Others will need INI file edits. Others will need a full
reinstall.

>I need Warp4 to run a database application I wrote for my automobile
>hobby using Extended Edition; I would have to learn a new database and a
>new language, and then spend a couple of months reprogramming.... don't
>wanna do that!!!!

That I can understand. I still have inhouse apps written in Paradox/DOS.

>I'll email them offline. I am using DSL through a LinkLine 4-port router,

OK. I presume the LinkLine is doing NAT for you. Anything else? DHCP?
Local DNS? I'll need to know the IP addresses of the individual boxes so
I can understand the traces.

>Don't like where it's placed; my understanding is that WinXP wants one
>big partition.

WinXX in general likes the OS and apps all installed on C:. It really
doesn't have problems storing data on other partitions.

>Since I intend to be storing photos, which take a lot of
>space, I want one VERY big WinXP partition,

You could just as easily have a big data partition after the 9GB boundary.

>and I understand WinXP must
>be the first partition on the drive.

No, it just needs to be on a primary partition on the first drive. It
will be the C: partition because only 1 primary can be visible on a given
drive.

>Actually, I'd be satisfied with the
>bootable Warp on the scsi drive.

Warp will have no problem with that.

>3. to simplify the Warp install as much as feasible, by unplugging the
>scsi cable, considering all the difficulties I'd been encountering with
>the install diskettes, and with booting scsiWarp when the ide drive was
>powered on.

This may simplify the install, but it may not get you closer to having a
usable install with the SCSI drive enabled.

>4. I wanted a vanilla Warp to find out if the networking problems I was
>seeing on the P2 would go away with a re-install. They did.

Are you saying that Netscape timeouts don't happen on the AMD/IDE install?
If so, you need to look very carefully at how the TCP/IP configuration
differs.

>I think I'm pretty familiar with the way partition letters are set up...
>it just gets tricky when partitions are always changing when things do
>or don't work with the install diskettes or how a given fdisk interprets
>the ide drive, and when you don't know if using PQmagic to hide or
>unhide a partition will screw up the ide's mbr or partition codes again.

Right. That's why the first priority is to get a working set of boot
diskettes that see the drives correctly. Once you have this, it's just a
matter of making sure you are running the same versions of the
IBM1S506.ADD, AICU160.ADD and OS2DASD.DMD on the installed system. The
first two handle the hardware access. The latter handles drive letter
assignment.

>ide:

>C: 4gb ntfs primary (I want this partition to be much larger) boot
>manager startable
>D: 2gb hpfs logical vanilla Warp4 fp15 (can be deleted later)

>(future additions:
> E: fat16 logical
> F: fat16 logical
> G: fat16 logical)

>scsi (it was configured before the ide was attached):

>boot manager (not currently in use)
>placekeepr C: fat16 primary for when I needed to boot Warp1vol or
>scsiWarp with ide power unplugged (normally hidden)
>E: Warp1vol single-pack vanilla maintenance Warp (normally hidden, can be
> moved anywhere Warp will allow it)
>F: scsiWarp hpfs logical (my cloned P2 partition; becomes D: when booted)
>G: fat16 data (will copy to ide as E:; then becomes H: backup for E:) H:
>fat16 data (will copy to ide as F:; then becomes I: backup for F:) I:
>fat16 data (will copy to ide as G:; then becomes J: backup for G:) J:
>fat16 placekeeper H: when ide not attached (will be deleted later) K:
>fat16 placekeeper I: when ide not attached (will be deleted later) L:
>fat16 placekeeper J: when ide not attached (will be deleted later) M:
>hpfs catchall for downloads and temp files (becomes K: later)

>the scsi drive is a bit cramped at present, but there will be room when 3
> partitions are moved to the ide drive; also, I expect to be adding a
>second scsi drive (the same size) in a few weeks.

>So, in final form I hope to have:

>ide:
>C: 30gb+ WinXP primary ntfs
>bootmanager
>E: fat16 data logical
>F: fat16 data
>G: fat16 data

>scsi:
>unused bootmanager
>fat16 hidden placekeeper C:
>D: scsiWarp logical
>H: backup of E:
>I: backup of F:
>J: backup of G:
>K: hpfs download and temp files
>L: Warp1vol hpfs (hidden, or not) maintenance Warp needing only itself
>and a C: placekeeper

>This last is pretty much what I have on the P2 today, except that C: is
>Win95 and the scsi partitions are spread over 3 physical scsi drives with
> Warp on the middle drive; there are 2 hidden bootable Warps, one of
>older vintage.

OK, we can discuss this when you decide what you want to do next.

>It hasn't been changed from what "Create Utility Diskettes" produced; all
> 1996 files with a couple of 1995 files.

OK, but my focus is resolving the installation issues. For this utility
diskettes are superfluous.

>Well, fdisk only allowed me a 4gb partition in front of the 2gb Warp
>partition I wanted to create... if I moved it any further out, I couldn't
> set it installable.

There's something wrong with installation diskettes. It sounds like
you've gotten something older installed. At one time 4GB was the limit.
Boot the installation diskettes, drop to the command line and do:

fdisk /query:all

and same the output to a file. I need to see what's going on. The
updated diskettes based on the Thinkpad images should allow installing
anywhere in the 8GB range.

>But, how are they running it... is the WinXP partition the C: drive then,

Sure, no choice about this.

> and if it's visible to Warp and an ntfs partition, what happens if you
>accidentally try to access C:???

It varies. Some folks install Warp to a primary so the WinXP partition is
hidden when Warp is booted. Others install to a logical and use the
read-only NTFS driver to make the WinXP partition visible. With Warp,
there are always lots of choices.

Steven

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