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Date:	Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:35:45 PDT7
From:	"Bob" <2lvvuss02@sneakemail.com >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Tom Brown email - VyperHelp

** Reply to message from "Steven Levine steve53@earthlink.net" on Wed, 22 Jun
2005 00:15:33 PDT7

> >"Verizon problem" -- you mean Verizon is telling other ISPs not to accept
> >email from Verizon addresses?
>
> No. I mean that Verizon is not contacting maps to get the IP address that
> they own taken off the DUL list. It's unlike they will ever know that the
> address is on the list unless you contact them.

Verizon will not remove the IP from the DUL because they are they ones that put
those IPs there in the first place. There is a reason for the DUL list because
those IPs should never be sending email directly to MX (which is what Peter is
doing).

> >I'm not going through the Verizon mail
> >server;

Which is why you have problems with some email servers blocking your email.

> If you went to the link and read what it says, you would realize that the
> problem would not exist if you did go through Verizon's mail server.
>
> >I'm running SendMail and sending directly to Tom's account.
>
> Which is exactly why it bounced.
>
> >It's likely that Tom's ISP is simply blocking some or all of Verizon's IP
> >addresses.

Good guess and probably the correct answer.

> Sheesh. Try reading the content of the link and, hopefully, it will
> understand that your IP address when you sent the mail was 71.108.118.189
> and this addres is on the DUL list. It's possible that you leased an IP
> address that was previously owned by an infected Win box that was spewing
> spam and someone reported this to maps.
>
> >Until his ISP stops doing that, we can use this list.

Which probably will never happen as they do not want spam from all of the
compromized computers that are out there.

> There's no reason to expect his ISP to change anything until your IP
> address is no longer on the DUL list.

And no reason for any ISP to remove that IP from the DUL unless you pay more
for a bussiness account (which will probably get you a different IP that is not
on the DUL list).

> Of couse, you could just request a new lease and if you get a different IP
> address, 71.108.118.189 will become someone elses problem.

That will not change the problem because you will receive another IP that is
also listed in the DUL data base.

--
Robert Blair

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