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Date:	Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:48:57 PDT7
From:	Wayne <waynec@linkline.com >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: multipole OS'es / advice & guidance sought

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i-lists wrote:

>Hi Foxey & Ray
>Thanks to your replies to my "multiple OS'es" questions ;-)
>
>My notebook HDD seems to have some problems with the heat here ...
>... or there is another (HW) problem around !?
>Too often the HDD "farts" and sometimes totally blocks the system
>;-(
>
>C-A-D does not help ...
>... rabiate Power-OFF is the ONLY solution ;-((
>Afterwards I need to CHKDSK with booting from the 4.52 CD ;-|
>
>Now my further explantations:
>
>Yes, the first 3 partition are primary partitions:
>1st C: / NTFS contains the original WIN XP installation (came
>with the system)
>BM (default boot set to C2 !)
>2nd C: / HPFS contains OS/2 Warp 4.52
>D: / FAT32 acts as a data changer between OS/2 and WIN
>E and the rest are all HPFS partitions and used with OS/2 only
>
>With these settings I am having one OS hidden (and secure) from
>the other !
>I am NOT interested nor do I want having OS/2 in a logical
>partition !!
>
>At the very (with small HDD's up to 8.4GB) I always had the BM at
>the end=20
>of the disk ...
>... and with the HDD's becoming bigger, sometimes, I had
>difficulties with=20
>the BM at the begin of the HDD and W98 doing some CHKDSK/scandisk
>;-(
>After a hint of an experienced friend I am always placing the BM
>between=20
>the OS'es like shown above !
>No problems anymore ;-)
>
>On this system I have had running 3 OSes. OS/2, WIN XP & SuSE 9.1
>PRO !!!
>Since I resized / moved the WIN XP and one more partition I have
>only=20
>OS/2 working properly ;-))
>
>Really very good, it is OS/2 ;-)))
>
>The main question indeed is not the design of the system
>partitions !
>The real main question is the "common factor" of all these 3
>OS'es !!
>Maybe FAT32 is readable /writeable by all of these 3 OS'es ???
>
>Some of you may have better and more experience how to solve=20
>such an environment !?
>
>I would really appreciate their advice and guidance accordingly
>to=20
>personal experiences ;-))
>
>TIA for all your efforts with kind regards from South East Asia
>svob=EF
>
>
>
>=20
>
>
>
>
>raydav@charter.net on 05.06.2005 04:46:29
>Please respond to scoug-help@scoug.com
>To: scoug-help@scoug.com
>cc: =20
>Subject: SCOUG-Help: multipole OS'es / advice & guidance sought
>
>i-lists wrote:
> =20
>
>>Hello SCOUGians
>>After long silence I am back again and hope for your help.
>>
>>I am changing a bigger HDD in my notebook and would like to=20
>>have multiple OS'es on it !
>>
>>i) WIN XP (leaving as original installation)
>>ii) OS/2 Warp 4.52 as main & primary OS
>>iii) Linux as additional OS for learning
>>
>>My intended partitioning looks like following:
>>
>>1st prim C: NTFS/H WIN XP
>>OS/2 BM=20
>>2nd prim C: HPFS OS/2 Warp 4.52 (default system)
>> =20
>>
>
>I have never heard of any justification for putting OS/2 on a
>primary=20
>partition. Something about "hiding" everything from Windows?=20
>Just=20
>don't run Win utilities on your OS/2 partition.
>
> =20
>
>>D: log FAT32 (Data Exchange between all systems)
>>E: log HPFS EXEC files
>>F: log HPFS FILE (file folders / download, upload)
>>G: log HPFS GAR(b)AGE (garbage & maintenance)
>>H: log HPFS HOME (user data)
>>i: log HPFS IMAG (es DigiCam pics)
>>
>>plus Linux System partition 5GB
>>plus Linux Swap partition500MB
>>
>>My questions:
>>
>>What would you recoomend me to do or to change ?
>> =20
>>
>
>I have had a succession of machines since the mid nineties
>running=20
>DOS, OS/2 and Win. I have done it using only the bundled boot
>manager=20
>type utilities. As an academic exercise, it can be done. But
>those=20
>things tend to be primitive. Get a real boot utility; System=20
>Commander, OS Selector......
> =20
>
>>How can WIN XP and Linux access these HPFS partitions ?
>>If unable: What partition types shall I use to have access with
>>all OS's ?
>> =20
>>
>
>FAT, 16 or 32 is probably the only thing all OSs can see.
>
>Ray
>
> =20
>
Svobi, I am not certain what you are asking, but I have been running=20
WinXP Pro and OS/2 on the same machine for nearly 2 years:

C: WinXP primary NTFS
IBM boot manager
D: OS/2 logical HPFS (hidden from WinXP by removing it's device letter=20
under WinXP)
E:, F:, G:, etc are all either Fat16 or Fat32 logical partitions, most=20
visible to both operating systems, some with no device letter under=20
WinXP; in general, by practice I limit updates to the Fat32 partitions=20
to be made only by WinXP, while Fat32 updates are made from OS/2.

I see no reason why putting WinXP and OS/2 both in primary partitions=20
would be a problem.

I'm not familiar enough with Linux to comment, but you might have a look=20
at this site:
http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/Filesystems-HOWTO-3.shtml

I've been using an OS/2 Fat32.ifs driver I think I got from the Henk=20
Kelder website a year or so back, but darned if I can find it now! I=20
think he stopped supporting the driver. Hobbes has his last version 0.94=20
dated 4/24/2001. My copy of Fat32.ifs is dated 9/17/2003 and is 125,058=20
in size.

I think the latest version (8/31/2004) is available via a Yahoo=20
users/developers group (you'll need to register with Yahoo to access=20
user groups before you can access this link):
http://groups.yahoo.com/fat32user/files

As a safety precaution, it might not be a bad idea to have a separate=20
Fat32 partition for each operating system to update, while allowing=20
reading from all the Fat32 partitions.

Wayne

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i-lists wrote:

Hi Foxey & Ray
Thanks to your replies to my "multiple OS'es" questions ;-)

My notebook HDD seems to have some problems with the heat here ...
... or there is another (HW) problem around !?
Too often the HDD "farts" and sometimes totally blocks the system
;-(

C-A-D does not help ...
... rabiate Power-OFF is the ONLY solution ;-((
Afterwards I need to CHKDSK with booting from the 4.52 CD ;-|

Now my further explantations:

Yes, the first 3 partition are primary partitions:
1st C: / NTFS contains the original WIN XP installation (came
with the system)
BM (default boot set to C2 !)
2nd C: / HPFS contains OS/2 Warp 4.52
D: / FAT32 acts as a data changer between OS/2 and WIN
E and the rest are all HPFS partitions and used with OS/2 only

With these settings I am having one OS hidden (and secure) from
the other !
I am NOT interested nor do I want  having OS/2 in a logical
partition !!

At the very (with small HDD's up to 8.4GB) I always had the BM at
the end 
of the disk ...
... and with the HDD's becoming bigger, sometimes, I had
difficulties with 
the BM at the begin of the HDD and W98 doing some CHKDSK/scandisk
;-(
After a hint of an experienced friend I am always placing the BM
between 
the OS'es like shown above !
No problems anymore ;-)

On this system I have had running 3 OSes. OS/2, WIN XP & SuSE 9.1
PRO !!!
Since I resized / moved the WIN XP and one more partition I have
only 
OS/2 working properly ;-))

Really very good, it is OS/2 ;-)))

The main question indeed is not the design of the system
partitions !
The real main question is the "common factor" of all these 3
OS'es !!
Maybe FAT32 is readable /writeable by all of these 3 OS'es ???

Some of you may have better and more experience how to solve 
such an environment !?

I would really appreciate their advice and guidance accordingly
to 
personal experiences ;-))

TIA for all your efforts with kind regards from South East Asia
svobï








raydav@charter.net on 05.06.2005 04:46:29
Please respond to scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
cc:	 
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: multipole OS'es / advice & guidance sought

i-lists wrote:
  

Hello SCOUGians
After long silence I am back again and hope for your help.

I am changing a bigger HDD in my notebook and would like to 
have multiple OS'es on it !

i) WIN XP (leaving as original  installation)
ii) OS/2 Warp 4.52 as main & primary OS
iii) Linux as additional OS for learning

My intended partitioning looks like following:

1st prim C: NTFS/H WIN XP
OS/2 BM 
2nd prim C: HPFS OS/2 Warp 4.52 (default system)
    

I have never heard of any justification for putting OS/2 on a
primary 
partition.  Something about "hiding" everything from Windows? 
Just 
don't run Win utilities on your OS/2 partition.

  

D: log FAT32 (Data Exchange between all systems)
E: log HPFS EXEC files
F: log HPFS FILE (file folders / download, upload)
G: log HPFS GAR(b)AGE (garbage & maintenance)
H: log HPFS HOME (user data)
i: log HPFS IMAG (es DigiCam pics)

plus Linux System partition 5GB
plus Linux Swap partition500MB

My questions:

What would you recoomend me to do or to change ?
    

I have had a succession of machines since the mid nineties
running 
DOS, OS/2 and Win.  I have done it using only the bundled boot
manager 
type utilities.  As an academic exercise, it can be done.  But
those 
things tend to be primitive.  Get a real boot utility; System 
Commander, OS Selector......
  

How can WIN XP and Linux access these HPFS partitions ?
If unable: What partition types shall I use to have access with
all OS's ?
    

FAT, 16 or 32 is probably the only thing all OSs can see.

Ray

  

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