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Date:	Fri, 9 May 2008 21:09:05 -0700
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Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Video Capture Card,,,?

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Hi SCOUGians,
Yes, Hauppauge is a good brand ! ;-)
I am not related or tied to them: Just a client/user of a PVR-350 !!

YEAH & BTW: You should use its correct description:
It's not Hauppauge 250 or whatever ...
... exactly it is a PVR-250 as discussed here !!!

http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr250_datasheet.htm

Some years ago I was able to use my PVR-350 with OS/2 Warp
to watch TV (in Switzerland) !!

Good luck & cheers, svobi

On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 17:51 -0700, J R FOX wrote:
> --- Martin Rosenfeld wrote:
>
> > Are you saying that the Hauppauge 250 is a good
> > video capture card for
> > eCS, or for eCS and Windows?
>
> Martin,
>
> If I recall correctly, Jerry liked it. (I'm not sure
> if he had the 150, the 250, or the 350 . . . ) I
> think it has a pretty good reputation vs. its
> competition, in the general vicinity of that price
> point. The Emperoar software for OS/2 (which would
> likely set you back an additional $100.) is what Jerry
> was using with the Hauppauge card, back during his
> demo. Support in Windows will be a given, though you
> might want to opt for some other software than
> whatever they bundle with the card, so that could be
> an extra cost also.
>
> > I know
> > nothing about current television, video recording,
> > ATSC, etc.
>
> > I get all my television by cable, which will shortly
> > be just ATSC.
>
> I know people who still have analog cable service, but
> this has mostly gone away, and is being phased out.
> Some cable services have not totally pulled the plug
> on it yet, but have been gradually whittling away at
> it. Example: they used to get an analog HBO, but Time
> Warner canceled this, replacing it at that channel #
> with the Jewelry Channel, or somesuch. The palette of
> available choices keeps shrinking, in that way, until
> they may eventually discontinue the whole analog
> service. [IF you have a cable box -- that is
> essential for mediating your channel selection --
> then you almost certainly have digital cable service
> already, and the above would not apply to you.]
>
> Your digital cable (or Satellite) box already does
> what a tuner would do -- plus unscramble any premium
> channels you may subscribe to -- so, nothing else is
> really needed to receive the signal. The signal goes
> to your tv, which is either an analog or digital
> device (the latter, most likely, if it is a plasma or
> lcd type from the last few years vintage). OR, it can
> be fed into other devices: a DVR or capture card in a
> computer, for example.
>
> I want to be very careful here, because there have
> been analog capture card models, digital capture card
> models, and I'm sure a number that handle either type
> of feed. You should be thorough enough in your
> research to make sure you are buying one that would be
> suitable for your situation.
>
> > What
> > will I need (1) to record off the air to a hard
> > drive to play back at
> > will?
>
> Depends where the hard drive is. If it is in a
> standalone unit like a DVR (supplied by the cable or
> sat Co. for a monthly rental fee, and generally built
> into the same box as the cable or sat box), a DVD
> Recorder, or a combo VCR / DVD Recorder), there won't
> be any outside software involved. You set a
> Timer/Channel "Event" in the sat or cable box, and a
> choice of recording speed, according to the desired
> quality and how much free HDD capacity you have left,
> and you're done. If it is a standalone device -- not
> part of the sat or cable box -- you'd have to set that
> Event information there as well. In that way, the box
> is receiving the right program at the right time, just
> as the HDD comes on to record it.
>
> The situation is different in the scenario of a
> computer + capture card. With that, you are
> essentially talking about a HTPC (Home Theater PC),
> which may be mostly dedicated to that task. It's not
> that you *couldn't* also use that computer for other
> things, but then you run into the timer problem as a
> practical matter. You'd likely have to keep the
> computer running all the time, and close to the cable
> box. The HTPC is not going to boot itself and run, at
> the desired time ! If you were willing to go "Full
> Manual", and always control the recording yourself in
> real time, that might be the one exception.
> Otherwise, some software is going to be required to do
> the Timer thing, and initiate recording. There are
> various programs that can handle this on the Dark
> Side, but it may be that this is well beyond the scope
> of what Emperoar does on our side. (I don't know --
> Jerry would.) Are you with me so far ?
>
> > (2) to record off the air to a DVD?
>
> Standalone DVD recorders would do this a whole lot
> more easily. I'm unsure about how this would be
> handled, using an HTPC. It is going to be a less
> desirable option: having the program recorded to HDD
> *first* allows one to edit out commercials, or fix
> certain glitches, prior to committing the content to
> DVD.
>
> > (3) to
> > record off of the set
> > top hard drive to a DVD?
>
> >From all that I've heard or read, this is not
> possible,
> if you are using a set top HDD (inside a DVR,
> supplied by your sat or cable Co.). They emphatically
> do not want you to have this capability. The one
> exception I've heard of involves certain Tivo models,
> which is separate DVR hardware you purchase and then
> own. And those models may or may not still be
> available.
>
> > I don't yet subscribe to HDTV. If I do, what can the
> > cable company
> > provide to go on the set top? Can I get similar
> > stuff as components on
> > my own to do the three things listed above?
>
> There are HD DVRs -- again, rented from your Sat or
> Cable Co. They have larger hard drives, because HD
> uses up a lot more hard drive space a lot faster.
> They won't let you send that signal out to **anywhere
> BUT your HD television** from that built-in hard
> drive. (They're no dummies, and the network or movie
> companies would not let them do it, even if they were
> willing to !) {Were / Are there any HD Tivo models ?
> Good Question. Don't know.} You could not archive HD
> material *in HD*, on DVD, in any case, even if you had
> workable outbound signal connections. For that, you'd
> need a $1,000.+ Blue Ray recorder, but I suspect that
> something else like HDMI cabling would still thwart
> your attempts. It is designed to keep copyrighted
> material in a private connection that only goes from
> the sat/cable box to the tv. (The provider makes an
> exception for the HDD in the gear that they lease
> you.)
>
> I'm uncertain as to whether the HTPC / capture card
> option can get around this, with HD content, but from
> my reading in some of those forums I gather that there
> are ways to do it. For sure it would require more
> expensive hardware and fancier methods.
>
>
> Jordan
>
>
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