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Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:48:54 PST
From:	<leganii@surfree.com >
Reply-To:	scoug-programming@scoug.com
To:	scoug-programming@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Programming: Project ?

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On Mon, 24 January 2000, Peter Skye wrote:

>
> leganii@surfree.com wrote:
> >
> > I was (and am still) reading Eric Raymond's
> > "The Cathedral and the Bazaar". Steve's idea seemed
> > to be running in a related channel. It seems to me
> > that reading this should be the first step for every
> > one on this adapt-an-app project.
>
> I'm too lazy. :))
>
> How about a synopsis?

I have to disagree with Steve on this.
At least the title chapter is so relevant to what he
proposes, I'm going to track it down on the net
and post a URL to it here if it still exists online.
It deals with the methodology of getting a group
effort like this rolling, what criteria to use for
picking projects etc. Maybe it's all old hat to him
but it is a great clarification, bringing it all
in to focus. Hard to imagine a better synopsis.

>
> > Kim Yueng (sp?)
>
> Kim Cheung.
>
> > Dave Watson's serious idea a while back was to put
> > together a CD of apps,
>
> I missed this one. What did he want to do?

He brought it up on IRC a few weeks ago.
Probably best if he gets involved in this and
describes what he wanted to do.

>
> > What does OS/2 / OS/2 community need the most
> > right now?
>
> Well, there you have it. Take a look at the project list over at
> NetLabs (Adrienne Geschwend).
>
> > Things I've asked about in the past that no one
> > came up with a good answer for were OCR
>
> OCR is a MAJOR effort. I've done predevelopment on OCR and it's a BIG
> project.

I definitly wasn't thinking of starting from scratch.
just porting anything that could be found on any
flavor UNIX that was available via EMX.

>
> Before you can start recognizing characters, you have to decompose the
> page ("is this text or a picture", "where do the columns start and
> end"), adjust for skew (paper wasn't straight when scanned), identify
> the individual lines (the descenders of one line sometimes touch the
> ascenders of the following line), separate the characters (which may be
> tightly kerned so there's no clear vertical line between them), and THEN
> you can try to identify the characters (lots of algorithms to choose
> from).
>
> > maybe some loadlin like tool to boot
> > OS/2 from a real DOS session
>

> Just set the OS/2 partition to ACTIVE and jump into the BIOS for a
> warm/cold boot. :)

This completly dodges the reasons I wanted such a tool.
Maybe it would be useless with OS/2, but for some
hardware, you can use DOS drivers to do some
preliminary register setting if you don't have
drivers for the OS you really want to use.
A variant on the 'virtual TSR' thing in my scan
converter article somewhere in the www.scoug.com
/ OS/2 For You archives.

>

>
> > I'd like to make some improvements to some
> > EWS stuff, but that would probably require
> > a the earth's axis to be shifted for that to happen.
>
> You can use my disassembler. :)))

I may take you up on that sometime.
I have some things I wanted to try out there.

One of the things I experimented with on Debian
Linux that turned out to be futile there could
be usefull for (at least me) in the Warp environment.
I was resurecting an old version of TinyIRC
(pre-curses) to use an IRC plugin for C-Kermit.
The same day that I posted on the experiment to
comp.protocols.kermit.misc, they announced the
inclusion of psuedoterminals in C-Kermit UNIX
versions, so that it could run programs with
curses screen i/o under C-Kermit control.
However, Kermit/2 (and Kermit-95 in general)
don't have access to psuedoterminals, so they
would need an older version of Tiny, to run
via the 'set network /command' command,
so Kermit/2 could provide scripting, logging etc.
for the 10k Tiny program.
Therefore, when I get some time to work on it
back home again, I hope to recompile the old
version of TinyIRC on EMX and see how it works out.
But this is probably a one night project for me,
not something worthy of a group effort.
Also want to try compiling G-Kermit
(the stripped down, standalone file transfer
protocol program) under EMX for Warp also.
Again, probably a one night project when I have
the time and right system at hand.

>
> - Peter

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