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Date:	Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:16:04 PST7
From:	Steve Carter <scarter@vcnet.com >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Re: re: Where to get an IBM Thinkpad 600e bargain ?

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Larry:

Direct IBM refurbs, like mine, do indeed carry a 90-day warranty,
which is better than none at all. Occasionally, used machines
with time left on the warranty are available, with sometimes
as much as a year remaining! Some IBM refurbs at half.com
(VG versus EX) have 30-day warranties, when sold by third parties.

My 366MHz, 6GB TP600E was about $830, IIRC, when new machines sold
for $2500 -$3000. At that time, similar used machines were ~$600+.
Presently, 400MHz, 10GB, DVD TP600Es are selling for <$600 on half.com.

An IBM refurb is worth a lot to me, as opposed to some large
scale dealer somewhere on the internet. They may claim refurb,
but most just don't have the facilities to do a proper refurbishment.
For most sellers, refurbished simply means used, no more. As the
original manufacturer, the refurbished claim from IBM, backed by
their 90-day warranty, carries a lot of weight with me.

I don't know how to apply a percentage, since the price trend
is downward. As models get older and older, the percentage of
their new price continues to decline. It's easy to do a price
comparison by looking at eBay or Half.com, but that's just
a snapshot in time. Next month, the same model is even less.

-- Steve

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On 10/28/02, Larry Tawa wrote, in part:
> ...
>I have recently been carousing the refurbished IBM notebook market. I am
>aware that some new models have 3 year warranties (ex T series) while
>others have a 1 year warranty (ex A series). Refurbished IBM notebooks
>have a 90 day warranty.
>
>Since I am not following the ThinkPad market, I would like to ask you a
>very *vague* question. What in your opinion is a fair market value in
>buying a refurbished IBM notebook (refurbished by IBM and not secondary
>vendor)? Fair market value as defined by percentage of current market
>price for the same unit in brand new condition with full warranty.
>
>Thanks. >Larry Tawa
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