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Date:	Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:03:14 PST7
From:	Harry Chris Motin <hmotin@attglobal.net >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: uninstall of RSJ

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Hi svobi,

Your suggestions are noted and well founded. I agree absolutely.
Unfortunately, experience is probably the best teacher. The only thing
we can do is properly warn Butch of various hazards. The choice to take
cautionary preventive measures before hand is his!!

With regard to your question about Butch's ability to restore his
system. Apparently, after he "followed RSJ's instructions", edited his
CONFIG.SYS and rebooted, his system locked up (again). In hind sight
that was to be expected.
Then, Butch tried to get his system back by hitting ALT-F1 during the
bootup and selecting the "Initial Installation Desktop" choice. That is,
he elected to go back to his initial setup at OS/2 installation.
Naturally, he lost whatever customization and program installation he
had set up from then to now. Supposedly, OS/2 saves all your critical
files when you do that (Steven and I agree on that). Supposedly, OS/2
saves them under:

C:\OS2\ARCHIVES\CURRENT

Steven and I agree that's what's suppose to happen. Therefore,
theoretically one should be able to recover Butch's system (to the state
it was just before he choose the intial installation desktop) by going
back to C:\OS2\ARCHIVES\CURRENT, getting the files that the system saved
and restoring them

It's worth a try.

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"Info2SYNass.NET" wrote:
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> Hi everbody
> I feel that there is a misunderstanding in the discussion with
> Butch's
> efforts to save his envrionment back to normal !?
>
> If Butch has not done any manual WPS archiving he will have no
> chance to restore from this point ;-(
>
> My file altf1mid.scr in x:\OS2\BOOT shows these entries
>
> 1) Archive created 19.09.2002 09.19.20
> 2) Archive created 03.09.2002 09.03.28
> 3) Archive created 31.08.2002 08.31.20
> 0) Original archive from INSTALL created 19.09.2002 09.00.12
>
> #0 normally is the archive created with the system installation !
> #1 to 3 are the 3 generations of archives created manually thru
> the user's activation in the WPS ...
> ... so I assume Butch only has #0 in his Recovery Choice Menu !
>
> As you see above:
> I do a very frequent archiving "after" important system
> manipulation
> and also "before" of some possibly risky manipulations ;-)
> Sometimes I did not and then sometimes I faced Murphy's Law ;-((
>
> My opinion is and I would suggest this to Butch too:
>
> First of all: ASK and DISCUSS and CONSIDER/RECONSIDER
> before taking any actions to be warned before an emergency
> appears.
>
> Second: Get familiar with OS/2 important features ...
>
> Third: Get a god strategy to setup the environment, i.e.
> partitioning
> and system resp. data locations.
>
> Fourth: Identify personally needed "MustHave-Tools" and learn
> to work well with them.
>
> Finally after few experimental months he may think of a really
> proper re-installation of his OS in that way he needs and wants
> ;-))
>
> My hint:
> C: is the system only
> D: is the data only
> E: is executables only
> and the rest is up to each her- or himself
>
> In any case of emergency: D: and E: are not touched !!
>
> My philosophy:
> Everthing on my system can be restored again ...
> ... my DATA, the ones in D: are gone definitely if I do not
> backup !
>
> Better one backup more than some data gone !!!
>
> I will stop here before you get tired of my weak English ;-)
> I appreciate your phatastic assistance, discussion of opinions
> ;-))
> Thanks a lot to you, svobi
>
> steve53@earthlink.net on 27.09.2002 06.31.44
> Please respond to scoug-help@scoug.com
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> Subject: SCOUG-Help: uninstall of RSJ
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> In <3D93DDB5.2CECA56A@attglobal.net>, on 09/26/02
> at 08:30 PM, Harry Chris Motin said:
>
> >This is part of what Butch said:
>
> I read all of that and I remember what I had him write down
> during the IRC
> chat and I have the IRC hardcopy logs. :-)
>
> >OK! I am doing some interpreting here, so I may be off base.
> Based on
> >what Butch wrote, the first time he hit ALT-F1 he got a list and
> he
> >selected the commandline choice. Therefore, he got a bunch of C:
> prompts.
> >That is especially true, if he also used DIR
>
> IIRC, this is a known problem with some Warp4 kernels when booted
> to the
> command line. If he had asked me before proceeding, most likely,
> I would
> have had him install the 10/26/00 kernel after figuring out what
> he was
> running.
>
> >On the second ALT-F1, Butch stated that he selected the initial
> >CONFIG.SYS choice. Nowhere did he say that he selected to go to
> the
> >Maintenance Desktop choice!
>
> That's true. He never said he did that. He said he selected the
> option to
> restore the original desktop (i.e. option 0 on the menu).
>
> >However, EVEN IF he did (unfortunately) go to the Maintenance
> Desktop, he
> >may still be able to recover his desktop and settings. According
> to my
>
> His life might be much simplier if he had Selected the Maintenance
> Desktop. This is assuming that Current did get popuplated.
>
> >OS/2 book, when you choose the Maintenance Desktop, the system
> saves the
> >current information, the current files, in
> C:\OS2\ARCHIVES\CURRENT\
>
> My book says that too. Butch says it didn't happen for him. I
> can
> believe that. The built-in desktop restore is not reliable, IMO.
> It's
> also possible he's not looking in the right place. He's not
> describing
> his actions all that clearly and he makes up word for things as
> he goes so
> I'm never exactly sure what he has done. :-)
>
> >If I found them, I would use the latest ones, rename them back
> to their
> >correct names and use them. It's worth a shot, I think.
>
> I'm going to have to find some time to experiment with the
> built-in
> Desktop restore. It will be interesting to see if Current gets
> populated.
> With Unimaint it's easy enough to have a guaranteed recovery
> fallback.
>
> Steven
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