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Date:	Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:35:38 PST8
From:	Peter Skye <pskye@peterskye.com >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: The debacle of email (hi Steven)

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> Peter Skye said:
>
> >Steven, I just privately sent you a response on this.
> >If you *don't* get my private response and you see this
> >message, it means my private messages to you are still
> >bouncing.

Steven Levine wrote back:
>
> Oh well. So it must be. Something to work
> on when the lawyers get tired of billing you.

I presume this means you didn't get my message, so let's
see if SCOUG-Help can deliver what mere Ducks cannot.

Following is the private message you didn't get.
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Steven Levine wrote:
>
> >Check the message ID number in the headers.
>
> See the attached. . . . It really looks like
> the Sundial server has a case of the burps.

Your message to me has this line in the header:

Message-Id:

*Every* message is supposed to have a Message-Id. iirc it's
in the RFC. It consists of a date-time stamp plus a random
number plus the target address. It's supposed to be added
by the SMTP server which accepts the message from the client
if the client didn't put one in.

Your four messages show that the same message was delivered
four times. All have the same Message-Id:

Message-Id: <200303121247.4553324.7@scoug.com>

so the message wasn't sent multiple times by Tony.

Also, I compared (you use Guiffy, I use PMDiff) the four
files and the only difference was the Sundial server sending
the message to Earthlink (their sparrow, penguin and killdeer
servers) at four different times:

Received: from sundialsystems.com ([216.184.211.34])
by sparrow (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 18TddY5CB3NZFjV0
for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:53:18 -0800 (PST)

Received: from sundialsystems.com ([216.184.211.34])
by penguin (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 18TdDV3c33NZFl40
for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:20:06 -0800 (PST)

Received: from sundialsystems.com ([216.184.211.34])
by killdeer (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 18Tezf59b3NZFlr0
Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:19:19 -0800 (PST)

Received: from sundialsystems.com ([216.184.211.34])
by penguin (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 18TgqJ2Ep3NZFl40
Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:18:41 -0800 (PST)

Note the time differences! Almost exactly a half hour
between first and second message, and almost exactly an
hour between 2nd & 3rd and between 3rd & 4th.

Since I only got one copy of Tony's message here, my most
likely scenario is that Sundial sent the message to you at
Earthlink but never got confirmation from the Earthlink
server, so Sundial waited 1/2 hour and tried again, then 1
hour and tried again, then 1 more hour and tried again.

Rollin might remember if he has the Sundial server
configured for 1/2 hour and 1 hour retry times. It's also
possible that he has it set for 1/2 hour retries but not 1
hour after that, and the Sundial server simply couldn't
connect to Earthlink at two of the retry times.

As for what caused the lack of acknowledgement (handshake)
from Earthlink to Sundial, I don't know. I thought I noticed
an anomaly on one of the SCOUG lists a few days ago (a message
from Sheridan showed up about 12 hours after he had sent it)
but I was busy and didn't check the header; it's possible that
Sundial had to keep trying with that message for a while until
it could connect.

> BTW, whatever became of your Earthlink bounce problem?

Let's see if you get this. :)))

- Peter
(who has time on his hands because the attorney is late)

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