wrote: 
> J R FOX wrote: 
> >  
> > Not an option here, Ray.  We're talking about the 
> > Shuttle box, which only has room for one HDD.  
> > Removing it is really a PITA, too.   
>  
> I have a scheme that seems to work on my laptop; I 
> have only done it a  
> couple times.  I have a USB case that holds an IDE 
> HDD.  Both DRDOS  
> and FREEDOS can access it.  I can boot from a floppy 
> and use PM or  
> boot the DFSEE CD, and copy a boot partition from 
> USB to internal. 
Ray,  
Well, I do employ a scheme for (backup) clonings of 
the HDD in the Shuttle.  It involves removing the 
cover and "borrowing" the 2nd. IDE controller & 
connector, which would ordinarily be driving the dvd 
burner.  This is a bit of a chore, so I don't do it 
very often, but it is a whole lot easier than removing 
the drive cage and the drives it contains (optical; 
HDD in the *middle* and therefore the least 
accessible; FDD).  You seem to be suggesting a 
variation of this: I could wire up a bare HDD -- 
outside the case -- and use the 1st. IDE controller 
for that, leaving me the optical drive on the 2nd. IDE 
in order to run the eCS install CDs.  Something would 
have to be rigged up on the HDD to preserve the 
existing drive letter assignment . . . but there would 
be no W2K, and no NTFS partitions.  THEN, assuming the 
install worked, you're saying it could be transferred 
and dropped into place on the "real* multi-boot HDD. 
Maybe this would work, maybe not.  It is already 
well-established that JFS (an apparently unavoidable 
item that is part of the eCS install) is an absolute 
deal-killer on this box.  It must be REMmed out via 
the Maintenance Console during the install, or nothing 
else will happen beyond that point.  For all I know, 
this could be a hardware issue.  In any case, the 
method above seems like driving from L.A. to 
Bakersfield via Denver.  I'm not sure if I want to get 
there *that* bad. 
Another thing I would say is that the install 
situation may have been *better*, back in the Warp4 
days, when Peer had to be done in a separate pass of 
its own.  The way things are now, it seems to be the 
failure of the Peer install that causes many of the 
other problems I'm seeing , with SNAP not going on and 
the desktop being only partially populated.  That is 
where the train seems to get derailed. 
Jordan 
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